Standard or not?

Read/WriteWeb – Opera vs. IE: Round One, Fight!
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/opera_vs_ie_round_one_fight.php

Slashdot – Opera Files EU Complaint Against Microsoft
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/13/1524233

跟標準否？

by AmaDaden (794446) on Thursday December 13, @11:29AM
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=388209&cid=21684677

I am currently doing some web development work. The biggest problem we run in to is the weird crazy shit that IE does. I run our pages on IE, FireFox, Safari, and Opera. By far IE is the BIGGEST pain in the ass. Why? It does not follow the standards at all. It just laughs at you. “oh you want that over there. Haha that’s funny. Keep dreaming.” It flat out ignores some HTML. Your code can be fucking perfect according to the W3C standards but IE just does not care. So what happens? People have started to code to IE and just IE. I know for a fact that I am the only person here who even tried to use Safari and Opera on our pages. The result is that our code ONLY works right in IE. This is why FireFox dominates the alternate browser market. It’s slower, bigger and just not as cool as Opera but it can work like IE to the point where finding a page that it does not render correctly is a rare thing. The problem with IE’s browser dominance is not that other browsers want to get shipped with Windows but that they get thrown to the side for doing the right thing.

Posted by: Glomph | December 13, 2007 2:29 PM
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/opera_vs_ie_round_one_fight.php#c028247

… in our hypothetical world all architects and painters are being forced to use the special paint. My new glasses are(and should be) made to see a world without special paint. Is it rely sensible that the world be painted just because that one store wants to use its market share to force people to use it? all web pages are being forced to cater for IE failures and the fact it is the default browser makes this worse.

If it was as easy as saying “Get Firefox because it shows the web pages the way they were designed” and then everyone getting it(or another standards compliant alternative) that would be fine, but its not.

instead everyone is seeing the web wrongly.

to me it seems the equivalent of architects and builders being forced to skew buildings just for people wearing bad glasses

Posted by: SoCalReason | December 13, 2007 8:14 PM
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/opera_vs_ie_round_one_fight.php#c028295

As a web developer, I find it more limiting to develop site to the standards of IE. Personally I would love to see Opera win, then hopefully people will understand that IE is not giving them the entire web viewing expierence.

Posted by: Robert | December 14, 2007 12:58 AM
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/opera_vs_ie_round_one_fight.php#c028333

I’ve heard so many complaints about standards and compliance. But from all of my stats over 90% of all the visitors to our websites (there are many) are using IE.

So lets face it… even if they are sub-standard. IE is THE standard. I’ve heard every argument from all of our developers on the matter and I still just point out that it’s the average users standard.

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